You remember, in the temptation, Satan said to Jesus might turn this stone into bread. I have joined some of these other Grapevine sites and this weekend i will spend more time on any of them. if they all have forums i quickly will start posting comments with links in my signature. http://Geriaticteam.Free.fr/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=AidanGowri